The next day, I'd sit down, go through it all with a colored pen and take out Everything I possibly could, find a new lead somewhere on the second page, figure Out a kicky place to end it, and then write a second draft. It always turned out fine, Sometimes even funny and weird and helpful. • First find a quiet disclosed space, write small notes before I forget key points and then just start writing. • Our first class assignment was our worst writing draft because it had been so long since we have to sit down to think and write anything at all of the topic let alone something of our own experience’s • Yes and no we can agree with Diaz partially. We do learn some important information in High school but not nearly all the information to prepare us for college. • Writing objectively is writing in a way that does not influence by personal emotional feelings or opinions. • Writing subjectively is writing in a way that is based on personal feelings, tastes or opinions. • The Diaz article is saying how school doesn’t prepare us enough for college. • The Lamott was different because everyone writes shitty first drafts but it’s better to write everything down before you forget because you may forget about it.
karen / aileen/ isaiah Karen Perez Aileen J Rosales Isaiah Carreon 1. I’d write the first draft that was maybe twice as long as it should be with a self-indulgent and boring beginning. 2. The way they thoughts us in high school the 5 paragraph essay. And to pass the final exam. 3. There was this time I got real high and had a final exam and bombed I didn’t know what I wrote.
4. Yes I agree with the mostly everything you learned in high school is a lie, because a college writing system is way different from high school writing because in college you are free to express your thoughts.
• Standardized test 5 paragraph essay isn’t an essay its more likely a story. • Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings taste or opinions. (no two writers write alike.) • Objective: of a person or their judgment not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. ( everyone has their on way of saying what they need to say.) 5. The difference from the Diaz article and the Anne lammot is that Diaz is speaking in a student perspective and lammot is speaking as an author
Armando Aguirre Mark Moreno Brandon Blanco • Anne lamott explains her process is by writing multiple drafts her first draft she considers as a child’s draft “the first draft, where you let it all pour out and then let it romp all over the place, knowing that no one is going to read it and that you can shape it later.” • We write what comes to mind such as how we felt towards the text we have read and then go back and review what we have written • Our worst writing drafts was during a state exam. The pressure of being on time limit is what contributed to the really shitty drafts • Many things we were taught in high school wasn’t exactly needed • We are taught specifically 5 paragraph essays and never taught how to write other kinds of papers such as response papers and research papers etc. • “the problem is that apart from standardized test, you will never write a 5 paragraph essay again” • When writing objectively you are writing with no emotion or opinions and writing subjectively you are writing with emotion or opinions. • The difference between the stories is lamott talks about her thought process when writing her food reviews and Kelsey Diaz talks about the difference between high school writing and college writing
Daniel Montez Anthony Duarte Alyssa Leal 01-23-18 1. So to say she would write something that a child will think and finishing the draft by changing some things that she wrote like in paragraph four she says “The first draft is the child’s draft, where you let it all pour out and then let it romp all over the place, knowing that no one is going to see it and that you can shape it later.” 2. Alyssa Leal “For me I get a headache then start my writing process mostly to say this is actually true.” Anthony Duarte “for me I need to fall asleep before I can start my writing process. Daniel Montez - ‘before I start my writing work, I like to think what I’m going write then I start the writing. 3. Alyssa Leal “my worst writing draft was mostly typing in an essay with mostly only one sentence and saying at the end lost the thought of train.” Daniel Montez- ‘’ my worst writing draft was when I was I BIM class, when I was supposed to write an essay but I just put whatever because time was running out. Anthony Duarte –“My worst writing draft is when I had nothing to write about so I just made up a bunch of stuff which didn’t make sense.” 4. Not really because id it was a lie we would not be here, the example is that in some classes you do learn in high school that help you prepare for college kind of. 5. I think college and high school are different where teachers care about you education and for college doesn’t really care if you pass or fail
• Lamott uses metacognition by starting her day by day routine then she socializes with friends in doing this she writes down notes reviews them days later writes again but isn’t satisfied attempts several times before she is satisfied with her opening paragraph. • We would say the writing process would be to visualize and oversee to understand what you’re writing. • Worst writing draft would have to be when I said, “I Just wasn’t good enough.” This comes from 11yrs in a marriage that I always felt I was never good enough or is there something wrong with me. I now realized I was always good enough there was nothing wrong with me it was him. • My worst writing draft has to be that I waited till the last minute to complete it, so it was too late so I wrote whatever, and got a bad grade, but it was better than nothing. • Me always thinking that I was never good enough. • That I waited till the last minute. • We would say yes we could relate to her reasons that we don’t use paragraphs in our day to day lives. We don’t write objectives or write essays. • Writing objectively –which is writing you cannot evaluate, calculate, or verify • Subjectively-in a way that is based on a personal feelings, tastes, or opinions • Examples in the text would be yes high school was a waste of time we don’t use anything that we were taught now. • With lamott would be to never be afraid of what to write to visualize what you read and it’s ok to make several drafts before making the right one. • With Kelsey diaz that high school prepared her for failure and she felt it was a waste of time
The way Lamott metacognition her self is saying that it is okay to write whatever is on your mind and to not worry about how it sounds. “The whole thing would be so long and incoherent and hideous that for the rest of the day I'd obsess about getting creamed by a car before I could write a decent second draft. I'd worry that people would read what I'd written and believe that the accident had really been a suicide, that I had panicked because my talent was waning and my mind was shot.” She is talking about how she wrote something and it was so long and it made no sence she wished he would get runned over by a car before she could fix it and have everyone see it.
Our first shitty drafts were probably in our middle to high school tasks or starrs test we’ve had.
We need to be on a quite room in order to be able to conentrate in what we are doing.
We do relate to Diaz in a way because the way our past teachers taught us to write an essay is so different to how we will be writing it for the rest of our lifes. “As kind or caring or harsh and crule as your high school teach may have been, There’s no way they could have prepared you for college, especially with all the “standardiezd test” bullcrap. Now, I’m not saying that you didn’t learn anything in your English class; you probably learned a lot! All I’m saying is that the writing you did in high school and the writing you will do in college are two totally different things.” The fact that we did the 5 paragraphed essays helped us in nothing.
We think that the difference between both articles is that in one it explains how high school was useless with the 5 paragraphs essays andthe standerd test and so on, and on the it just says how its okay to have a shitty first draft as long as you go back to it and take out all the useless things out.
Subjective is when the information or writing is based on personal opinions, interpretations, points of view, emotions and judgment. It is often considered ill-suited for scenarios like news reporting or decision making in business or politics, and Objective is when the information or analysis is fact-based, measurable and observable
Cassandra Martinez Jessica de Leon Yajaira Rendon Daniel Bezanilla
Group 2 : Academic Discourse as a Category Mistake. • WPA outcomes statement is adopted by the council of writing program administrators. • Can FYC fulfill these expectations? • “Academic writing” is constituted by and in the diversity of activities and genres that mediate a wide variety of activities within higher education. • “Academic Writing” is being used as an Umbrella Term is dangerously misleading. • Category Mistake labeled by (Gilbert Ryle) committed when in seeking to give an account of some concept, one says that it is of one logical type or category when in fact it is another.
KAREN PEREZ ARMANDO AGUIRRE AILEEN J ROSALES RESISTING MISCONCEPTIONS • THE MAIN IDEA ACTUALLY IS TALKING ABOUT FYC, CAN ACTUALLY DO TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR ACADEMIC WRITING, PARTICULARLY AS IT CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED. • A REENVISIONED FYC SHIFTS THE CENTRAL GOAL FROM TEACHING “ACADEMIC WRITING” TO TEACHING REALISTIC AND USEFUL CONCEPTIONS OF WRITING PERHAPS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH WOULD BE THAT WRITING IS NEITHER BASIC NOR UNIVERSAL BUT CONTENT AND CONTEXT CONTINGENT AND IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX. • FYC COULD TEACH ABOUT THE WAYS WRITING WORKS IN THE WORLD AND HOW THE TOOL OF WRITING IS USED TO MEDIATE VARIOUS AVTIVITIES.
• They do not know if writing essays on any kind of class will help students on lab reports. They do not know if it’s universal. • FYC students know how to act appropriately • We do not know which genres or rhetorical strategies truly are universal in the academy. • Instructors must hope that any writing instruction will help students in some way and/or limit their teaching to basic scribal and syntactic skills. • The instructors are very limited in what they can teach. They don’t know if it’ll help in their studies or majors. • The instructors really want the teachings to be taught as it should be. • Teachings need to be transferable between studies
• Auto-ethnographies- is a form of self-reflection and writing that explores the researcher’s personal experience and connects this autobiographical story to wider cultural political and social meanings and understandings. • Radically- in a through or fundamental way completely. • They both study a course about how to understand writing in school and society. • Downs has taught academic writing at the University of Utah and at the Utah Valley State College, with 25,000 students. • Wardle taught a first year writing course with twenty four honors and engineering students.
***UPDATE** Gustavo Brandon Blanco Aileen J Rosales • They do not know if writing essays on any kind of class will help students on lab reports. They do not know if it’s universal. • FYC students know how to act appropriately • We do not know which genres or rhetorical strategies truly are universal in the academy. • Instructors must hope that any writing instruction will help students in some way and/or limit their teaching to basic scribal and syntactic skills. • The instructors are very limited in what they can teach. They don’t know if it’ll help in their studies or majors. • The instructors really want the teachings to be taught as it should be. • Teachings need to be transferable between studies
DIAZ & LAMOTT DISCUSSION
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Gustavo
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Yajaira
The next day, I'd sit down, go through it all with a colored pen and take out
Everything I possibly could, find a new lead somewhere on the second page, figure
Out a kicky place to end it, and then write a second draft. It always turned out fine,
Sometimes even funny and weird and helpful.
• First find a quiet disclosed space, write small notes before I forget key points and then just start writing.
• Our first class assignment was our worst writing draft because it had been so long since we have to sit down to think and write anything at all of the topic let alone something of our own experience’s
• Yes and no we can agree with Diaz partially. We do learn some important information in High school but not nearly all the information to prepare us for college.
• Writing objectively is writing in a way that does not influence by personal emotional feelings or opinions.
• Writing subjectively is writing in a way that is based on personal feelings, tastes or opinions.
• The Diaz article is saying how school doesn’t prepare us enough for college.
• The Lamott was different because everyone writes shitty first drafts but it’s better to write everything down before you forget because you may forget about it.
karen / aileen/ isaiah
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Aileen J Rosales
Isaiah Carreon
1. I’d write the first draft that was maybe twice as long as it should be with a self-indulgent and boring beginning.
2. The way they thoughts us in high school the 5 paragraph essay. And to pass the final exam.
3. There was this time I got real high and had a final exam and bombed I didn’t know what I wrote.
4. Yes I agree with the mostly everything you learned in high school is a lie, because a college writing system is way different from high school writing because in college you are free to express your thoughts.
• Standardized test 5 paragraph essay isn’t an essay its more likely a story.
• Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings taste or opinions. (no two writers write alike.)
• Objective: of a person or their judgment not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. ( everyone has their on way of saying what they need to say.)
5. The difference from the Diaz article and the Anne lammot is that Diaz is speaking in a student perspective and lammot is speaking as an author
Armando Aguirre Mark Moreno Brandon Blanco
ReplyDelete• Anne lamott explains her process is by writing multiple drafts her first draft she considers as a child’s draft “the first draft, where you let it all pour out and then let it romp all over the place, knowing that no one is going to read it and that you can shape it later.”
• We write what comes to mind such as how we felt towards the text we have read and then go back and review what we have written
• Our worst writing drafts was during a state exam. The pressure of being on time limit is what contributed to the really shitty drafts
• Many things we were taught in high school wasn’t exactly needed
• We are taught specifically 5 paragraph essays and never taught how to write other kinds of papers such as response papers and research papers etc.
• “the problem is that apart from standardized test, you will never write a 5 paragraph essay again”
• When writing objectively you are writing with no emotion or opinions and writing subjectively you are writing with emotion or opinions.
• The difference between the stories is lamott talks about her thought process when writing her food reviews and Kelsey Diaz talks about the difference between high school writing and college writing
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Alyssa Leal
01-23-18
1. So to say she would write something that a child will think and finishing the draft by changing some things that she wrote like in paragraph four she says “The first draft is the child’s draft, where you let it all pour out and then let it romp all over the place, knowing that no one is going to see it and that you can shape it later.”
2. Alyssa Leal “For me I get a headache then start my writing process mostly to say this is actually true.”
Anthony Duarte “for me I need to fall asleep before I can start my writing process.
Daniel Montez - ‘before I start my writing work, I like to think what I’m going write then I start the writing.
3. Alyssa Leal “my worst writing draft was mostly typing in an essay with mostly only one sentence and saying at the end lost the thought of train.”
Daniel Montez- ‘’ my worst writing draft was when I was I BIM class, when I was supposed to write an essay but I just put whatever because time was running out.
Anthony Duarte –“My worst writing draft is when I had nothing to write about so I just made up a bunch of stuff which didn’t make sense.”
4. Not really because id it was a lie we would not be here, the example is that in some classes you do learn in high school that help you prepare for college kind of.
5. I think college and high school are different where teachers care about you education and for college doesn’t really care if you pass or fail
Jasmine & Leeanna
ReplyDelete• Lamott uses metacognition by starting her day by day routine then she socializes with friends in doing this she writes down notes reviews them days later writes again but isn’t satisfied attempts several times before she is satisfied with her opening paragraph.
• We would say the writing process would be to visualize and oversee to understand what you’re writing.
• Worst writing draft would have to be when I said, “I Just wasn’t good enough.”
This comes from 11yrs in a marriage that I always felt I was never good enough or is there something wrong with me. I now realized I was always good enough there was nothing wrong with me it was him.
• My worst writing draft has to be that I waited till the last minute to complete it, so it was too late so I wrote whatever, and got a bad grade, but it was better than nothing.
• Me always thinking that I was never good enough.
• That I waited till the last minute.
• We would say yes we could relate to her reasons that we don’t use paragraphs in our day to day lives. We don’t write objectives or write essays.
• Writing objectively –which is writing you cannot evaluate, calculate, or verify
• Subjectively-in a way that is based on a personal feelings, tastes, or opinions
• Examples in the text would be yes high school was a waste of time we don’t use anything that we were taught now.
• With lamott would be to never be afraid of what to write to visualize what you read and it’s ok to make several drafts before making the right one.
• With Kelsey diaz that high school prepared her for failure and she felt it was a waste of time
Jessica/ Diana/daniel
ReplyDeleteThe way Lamott metacognition her self is saying that it is okay to write whatever is on your mind and to not worry about how it sounds. “The whole thing would be so long and incoherent and hideous that for the rest of the day I'd obsess about getting creamed by a car before I could write a decent second draft. I'd worry that people would read what I'd written and believe that the accident had really been a suicide, that I had panicked because my talent was waning and my
mind was shot.” She is talking about how she wrote something and it was so long and it made no sence she wished he would get runned over by a car before she could fix it and have everyone see it.
Our first shitty drafts were probably in our middle to high school tasks or starrs test we’ve had.
We need to be on a quite room in order to be able to conentrate in what we are doing.
We do relate to Diaz in a way because the way our past teachers taught us to write an essay is so different to how we will be writing it for the rest of our lifes. “As kind or caring or harsh and crule as your high school teach may have been, There’s no way they could have prepared you for college, especially with all the “standardiezd test” bullcrap. Now, I’m not saying that you didn’t learn anything in your English class; you probably learned a lot! All I’m saying is that the writing you did in high school and the writing you will do in college are two totally different things.” The fact that we did the 5 paragraphed essays helped us in nothing.
We think that the difference between both articles is that in one it explains how high school was useless with the 5 paragraphs essays andthe standerd test and so on, and on the it just says how its okay to have a shitty first draft as long as you go back to it and take out all the useless things out.
Subjective is when the information or writing is based on personal opinions, interpretations, points of view, emotions and judgment. It is often considered ill-suited for scenarios like news reporting or decision making in business or politics, and Objective is when the information or analysis is fact-based, measurable and observable
DOWNS & WARDLE Discussion
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Cassandra Martinez
DeleteJessica de Leon
Yajaira Rendon
Daniel Bezanilla
Group 2 : Academic Discourse as a Category Mistake.
• WPA outcomes statement is adopted by the council of writing program administrators.
• Can FYC fulfill these expectations?
• “Academic writing” is constituted by and in the diversity of activities and genres that mediate a wide variety of activities within higher education.
• “Academic Writing” is being used as an Umbrella Term is dangerously misleading.
• Category Mistake labeled by (Gilbert Ryle) committed when in seeking to give an account of some concept, one says that it is of one logical type or category when in fact it is another.
KAREN PEREZ
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AILEEN J ROSALES
RESISTING MISCONCEPTIONS
• THE MAIN IDEA ACTUALLY IS TALKING ABOUT FYC, CAN ACTUALLY DO TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR ACADEMIC WRITING, PARTICULARLY AS IT CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED.
• A REENVISIONED FYC SHIFTS THE CENTRAL GOAL FROM TEACHING “ACADEMIC WRITING” TO TEACHING REALISTIC AND USEFUL CONCEPTIONS OF WRITING PERHAPS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH WOULD BE THAT WRITING IS NEITHER BASIC NOR UNIVERSAL BUT CONTENT AND CONTEXT CONTINGENT AND IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX.
• FYC COULD TEACH ABOUT THE WAYS WRITING WORKS IN THE WORLD AND HOW THE TOOL OF WRITING IS USED TO MEDIATE VARIOUS AVTIVITIES.
• They do not know if writing essays on any kind of class will help students on lab reports. They do not know if it’s universal.
ReplyDelete• FYC students know how to act appropriately
• We do not know which genres or rhetorical strategies truly are universal in the academy.
• Instructors must hope that any writing instruction will help students in some way and/or limit their teaching to basic scribal and syntactic skills.
• The instructors are very limited in what they can teach. They don’t know if it’ll help in their studies or majors.
• The instructors really want the teachings to be taught as it should be.
• Teachings need to be transferable between studies
Jasmine, Anthony, Isaiah
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• Auto-ethnographies- is a form of self-reflection and writing that explores the researcher’s personal experience and connects this autobiographical story to wider cultural political and social meanings and understandings.
• Radically- in a through or fundamental way completely.
• They both study a course about how to understand writing in school and society.
• Downs has taught academic writing at the University of Utah and at the Utah Valley State College, with 25,000 students.
• Wardle taught a first year writing course with twenty four honors and engineering students.
***UPDATE**
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Brandon Blanco
Aileen J Rosales
• They do not know if writing essays on any kind of class will help students on lab reports. They do not know if it’s universal.
• FYC students know how to act appropriately
• We do not know which genres or rhetorical strategies truly are universal in the academy.
• Instructors must hope that any writing instruction will help students in some way and/or limit their teaching to basic scribal and syntactic skills.
• The instructors are very limited in what they can teach. They don’t know if it’ll help in their studies or majors.
• The instructors really want the teachings to be taught as it should be.
• Teachings need to be transferable between studies
CONTENT / CONTEXT Discussion
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